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Baby in the high chair having a meal

  • Sep. 20th, 2009 at 9:20 PM

This evening my wife started yelling extremely loudly at our 9-year-old son, at the dinner table, because he was turning the pages of a school workbook when he should have been eating.  She walked up to his chair and yelled at his ear, when she was about 18 inches from his ear.  [I don't know if that's enough to cause hearing damage in a child of his age.]   I thought my wife was over-reacting.  I said that the boy should come and sit beside me.  My wife semi-ridiculed me for doing so.   I said: "I am only trying to protect him".  She said angrily: "It's ME that is trying to protect him".    I felt a little perplexed because my wife's reply was a bit like echo-lalia.  Perhaps mistakenly I then said that I was trying to protect him from verbal abuse.  Then she swore quitely at me (using the f-word) - she often swears at me or the kids these days.  I gently encouraged the 9-year-old to eat his dinner.  He was rather subdued after his mother's loud shouting.  I spoon-fed him and he seemed to be ok, albeit rather quiet.  I didn't complain to him about having to spoon feed him because I felt that his inaction was perhaps a natural reaction to the hysterics that he had just been subjected to.  I felt rather upset inside but I tried to put a brave face on the situation.  I feel a little helpless because I can't discuss the family problems with others as I don't think I would be believed and besides I don't know if discussing it with others would be the right thing to do anyway.  I think our family need help - perhaps a family therapist.

I finished dinner before my wife, so I went upstairs to write some comments on the computer for not more than 5 minutes.  The rest of the family were all in the kitchen, still eating dinner.  While I was logging the above paragraph on the computer my wife quickly came upstairs and said that the baby (age 17 months) was downstairs in the kitchen on his own.  I said something like: "I thought you were downstairs a minute ago".  She replied, louder: "I thought he was with YOU".  I went downstairs and the baby was in his high chair in the kitchen, on his own.  Obviously I got him cleaned up (babies always get a bit messy when eating) and ready for bed - I would never neglect him even if others abandon him and I'm sure most parents in that situation would respond the way I did.

In recent months I have noticed that the boys (i.e. our sons) will be scolded severely (i.e. yelled at very loudly) by their mother if they leave their clothes lying on the bedroom floor.  Sometimes they put their clothes on the back of a chair in their bedroom, but later in the day another child knocks the clothes over (accidentally) and they fall on the floor.  This leads to innocent children being scolded severely by their irate mother.  To try to rectify this I sometimes loosely tie the sleeves (or trouser legs) around the backs of the chairs so that they will not fall off easily. My wife, however, was irate tonight because I had tied some of their clothes to the back of the chairs. This concerns me because if I cannot do anything to prevent the clothes from falling off the chairs then I now cannot save innocent children from being severely reprimanded.  I don't think it's good for their self-esteem.  I can't discuss this problem with anyone I know - who would believe me?

When the kids went back to school

  • Aug. 18th, 2009 at 8:20 AM


6:30am  I got up to have a shower and I went to our daughter's bedroom.  Our daughter was already dressed and I told her that I was impressed by her punctuality.  After my shower, Son#1 (age 9) was dressed too, and I commented on how impressed I was at our daughter (age 12) and Son#1 both being so quick.  I was so pleased to see them looking so happy.  I took a photo of our daughter and Son#1 in their school uniforms.  I then got Son#3 (age 5) dressed, and he seemed in a good mood too. 

7:15am  Our daughter, Son#1 and Son#3 were dressed.  Son#2 was getting dressed.  My wife got up out of bed.  Son#4 was still in his cot.

7:30am  My wife started yelling extremely loudly and angrily at our daughter because she would not put on her new raincoat before going out.  She shouted and yelled and used quite a few swear words when shouting at her.  Our daughter said that the coat was too big for her.  To some extent our daughter shouted back almost as loudly as her mother.  I said to my wife that she was shouting too loudly, and my wife suddenly became very angry with me.  She was angry that our daughter was not wearing the new raincoat that she had bought and that our daughter was intending to use an umbrella instead and she said that our daughter would get soaked and make herself ill.  She continued shouting deafeningly, mainly at our daughter but partly at me, and I put my fingers in my ears.  She said (shouting extremely loudly) that I didn't care about her or anyone else in the family and I think the younger children must have believed her.  She looked and sounded like she believed it herself!  The boys were too afraid to put their fingers in their ears (perhaps because they had heard me being criticised for doing so myself) and I was worried that their young ears might suffer hearing loss.  It was time for our daughter to go and catch the school bus, which was due to depart from the bus stop about 5 minutes walk away.  Our daughter left the house looking as though she was about to cry.  My wife continued yelling and swearing in front of the kids and eventually she burst into tears.  Her face was florid red and I think it's no exaggeration to say that she was hysterical and overcome with emotion.  I felt sad that my daughter, on the morning of her very first day at the new school, should have to leave the house in tears.

7:45am  The 3 boys looked very subdued, and almost tearful, and they seemed to believe that our daughter was about to die of hypothermia or exposure, presumably because of the things their mother had been saying.  I think I must have sounded subdued and deadpan myself, but inside I saw myself as trying to do the job of a psychiatric nurse, and having no idea how to do my job.  Son#1 pleaded with me to take our daughter's raincoat to the bus stop to give it to our daughter so that she would not die of exposure.  I took the raincoat across (5 minutes walk) and our daughter was waiting at the bus stop with her school friend.  None of the pupils at the bus stop had raincoats, so our daughter was certainly not alone in that respect (the boys were wearing anoraks and the girls were just wearing school blazers).  I told our daughter that her brothers (i.e. my sons) had asked me to take the raincoat to her.  She seemed to understand the situation.  I asked our daughter if she had room for the raincoat in her school bag.  Our daughter put the raincoat in her bag, and I think she understood that this was the best thing to do in the circumstances.  Whether I should have or should not have, I told our daughter that the house was just as noisy after she left as it was before she left.  Her friend then said to me that her house had been completely quiet this morning and the only noise in her house was the noise of the hamster in the cage.  I got the impression that our daughter had been telling her friend about this morning's turn of events, and I wouldn't blame her for doing so.

8:00am  I returned to the house and told my wife that none of the schoolgirls were wearing a raincoat and that I was not willing to insist that our daughter wears one. 

6:30pm  When I got back from work my wife was determined to complain repeatedly about our daughter's failure to wear a raincoat at school.  I think she wanted me to support her in insisting that our daughter wears the raincoat that my wife had bought for her.  Once she had done lots of complaining (upsetting our daughter in the process) she then told me that the teacher had complained of Son#3's 'tiredness', saying that Son#3 needed to get to bed earlier tonight.  I wondered if perhaps Son#3's possible state of shock (from the morning's incredibly loud shouting and swearing) might have looked like tiredness to the teacher, but then at age 5 I suppose children bounce back quickly even after melodramatic events.  Personally I find it difficult to get over such drama and I don't think it's good for parents to shout and swear so angrily in front of children.
 

Crazymaking and wiktionary

  • Aug. 7th, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I think there should be an entry in Wiktionary about "crazymaking" because I suspect it happens an awful lot, even if the word "crazymaking" is not very well known.

To illustrate what "crazymaking" is, consider the following (albeit slightly unrealistic) situation.

A mother gave her son two new shirts, a red shirt and a blue shirt. When he heard that his grandmother and grandfather were about to visit the son made a special effort to wear one of the new shirts to please his mother.  He chose the red shirt.  When he came downstairs, his mother was angry. "Why are you angry?" the boy's father said. "Because he did not wear the blue shirt, " she replied.

The result is that the boy cannot possibly please his mother because she has effectively asked him to do two things which he cannot simultaneously do, and as a result she can tell him that he is wrong.  Now that, as I understand it, is crazymaking!

Now before my partner went out to work my partner asked me to make sure that the children would have their clothes ready for the vacation before she came back.  Now I was quite happy to do that in principle but I just know that she will say I chose the wrong clothes and make me look like a fool in front of the kids and she will probably upset the kids by scolding them forcefully, and she will persuade the kids to blame me for the trouble that I had caused.  So I am in a lose-lose situation.  Either I avoid choosing the clothes so that she cannot say that the wrong clothes were chosen, or I choose clothes for the kids knowing full well that my choice is very likely to be rejected.  Perhaps I could hope that my choice of clothes is not ridiculed, but I have a wealth of past experience which would tell me otherwise.
  If she really thinks I am incompetent in choosing the right clothes for the childrens' vacation then why did she ask me to choose them? [I fully appreciate that much of this paragraph is speculation but I have had many past experiences of this kind and I think this illustrates the problem - perhaps I will put a concrete example into my journal sometime]

Guess who said to me "you are lucky because you have time to yourself in the mornings while you are getting ready for work".  I replied "well you have time to yourself asleep in bed while I am getting ready for work".  Then I was a bit silly and I said something foolish like "your judgement is flawed, you can't seem to appreciate what others do and that's why you are often getting so angry".  I know I shouldn't have said that.

This is the same person who decided, while I was out at work on August 7 2009, to prune the raspberry bushes which I had been looking after - not that I particularly mind someone pruning the raspberry bushes, but if I am not mistaken, it is better to prune raspberry bushes in the autumn and not in the middle of summer!  In a way it is my own fault because recently I had been talking enthusiastically about how good a year for raspberries it has been and how nice our raspberries have been recently.  It looks like I had, by showing enthusiasm, tempted someone to damage that which I had been showing enthusiasm about.

Sorry about talking in a riddle.  My family life is very complicated and difficult to explain.

The problem of tiredness and illness

  • Aug. 4th, 2009 at 12:32 PM

A few weeks ago, at a staff social event, one of my colleagues made a comment about how I am always looking exhausted whenever he sees me.  This afternoon, while I was in the office, I actually fell asleep at my desk for a few minutes, though luckily none of my colleagues seemed to notice.  My colleagues could not possibly understand if I tried to explain the reason for my chronic tiredness to them, and besides, it might be morally wrong for me to detract my partner, and who would believe me anyway?  The problem is that I need to get up for work two hours before my partner has to get up, and it seems impossible for me to explain to my partner that I therefore need to go to bed two hours before she does.  Anyway, this evening I decided to tell my partner what my colleague had said about my tiredness.  She (my partner) was keenly interested to know which colleague had said it, but I thought it inappropriate and irrelevant to divulge that information, so I said something like "I don't want to point fingers at people".  I said that I needed to get to bed because I was very tired (besides I was feeling run-down with a cold as well, and the previous month I had suffered a chest infection and at that time I had no opportunity to rest properly - incidentally my partner doesn't like to see me ill in bed and she complains bitterly if I don't do my fair share of the household chores during my period of illness - so maybe that makes it harder for me to recover from illness properly.) 

I went to bed before the children.  My partner complained that the kids were not yet in bed and I asked her if she would mind putting them to bed tonight (usually I put them to bed, and I am happy to do so when I'm not too tired).  To my pleasant surprise she didn't fly off the handle and she didn't complain about me being selfish for going to bed before her.  She just said calmly that she would be coming to bed shortly.  She went to watch TV for a while but in the end my partner kept to her word and she put the kids to bed.  The boys came to my bedside asking for their usual bedtime story but I said I was too tired tonight.  (I did feel a little concerned because I think the bedtime-story routine is good for the boys and, in our particular family, I think it acts as a kind of safety valve to protect the boys from developing parental alienation syndrome, if you understand the effect a narcissist's backbiting/criticising has on kids.  But really I urgently needed rest and recuperation).

The following morning I felt much more refreshed, after a longer-than-usual sleep.  The kitchen was clean even although I hadn't cleaned it.  I was able to face going into work, and my cold-like symptoms were much lessened.  The long-term problem isn't solved, however, and if my job were to go then we would have to curb our spending dramatically - and how on earth would you persuade a narcissistic person to curb spending?

A holiday with not too much privacy

  • Jul. 30th, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Normally I dread holidays because I find from experience that my n partner will be more difficult than usual, however I sometimes wonder if one of the problems with narcissism is privacy.  Recently our family went on a vacation for a few days where we had to share a kitchen with several other families, and our bedroom was on the same corridor as that of several other families.  My n partner therefore had to tone down the rage attacks and (as a result) never once shouted deafeningly/angrily at the kids.  It was wonderful. Although I can't be sure of this, I suspect my partner was also happier being in a place where it was necessary to behave in a reasonable manner all of the time.  Additionally, I think the reduced privacy calmed the whole family (as some parenting experts say: 'if you are calm the children will be calm too').  My partner even remained relatively calm at home for a few days after the end of the holiday.  The unfortunate twist to the tale is that on the way home at the end of our vacation my partner said that next time we go on vacation we should choose a place where the family can be alone together.
Thank heavens, it's been a scary week with the medical tests and chest x-ray, but the doc say's I'm ok.  He doesn't know about my family problems, though. 

I've been wondering recently..  It seems futile to criticise the narcissist in my house because she is not able to accept criticism the way other people can (incidentally my dad is very similar to her in that respect).  I have been trying to praise her as much as possible in the theory that praising her for good deeds will have the following effects:-

1. It will provide her with "narcissistic supply", and might help her to calm down and stop yelling at the kids so much;
2. Praise can work with everyone to some extent but when the option of criticism isn't really open, then I think praise becomes all the more important, and it's an opportunity, perhaps, to reward non-narcissistic behaviour;
3. When she does behave badly (e.g. fits of rage, backbiting her sisters, control-freakery etc), and I withdraw the praises, then she might miss the praises, and in a little way it might motivate her to become a better person (please excuse me for paraphrasing Jack Nicholson's words from 'As good as it gets');

I don't know if this might work but I'm desperate for strategies that might help.

Health worries

  • Jul. 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I've been having chest tightness and chest pains for three days now and I'm seeing the doctor today.  I've got no idea what the outcome will be.

Never invite a n to apologize

  • Apr. 8th, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Never invite a narcissist to apologize

Today I feel almost too upset to record what happened, but nevertheless I shall try because I owe it to my children and others to take down as accurately as I can the turn of events.  I got up about 6:30am.  Everyone else was in bed.  I was not feeling particularly great as I had a sore throat and was feeling very slightly nauseous and I still has slight diarrhoea, as had some of the other members of the family.  For instance, my wife spent much of the previous afternoon in bed (flu?) while I played soccer in the garden with the boys.  I had some urgent office-related work to catch up on so from about 6:45 am until 8am I worked on that (with my employer's lap top on the dining table) and then my wife came downstairs carrying the baby.  Usually when she brings the baby she intends to hand over the baby to me but I pre-empted her (whether rightly or wrongly) saying "are you coming to offload the baby?".  She said "no" and then she started feeding the baby some breakfast.  About 15 minutes later (I think) she said that she was going to take a shower and left the baby with me (incidentally when I have a shower I normally bring the baby into the shower room with me and I give the baby some playthings while I am getting washed and dressed but it would never occur to her to do that even if she can see that I'm busy).  I didn't really mind in a way because I like to spend the time with the children and I fed the baby a bit more and gave him some milk and supervised the other children who were taking their breakfast.  She returned from the shower about 8:30am and said to me that the computer shop would open at 9:00am and she asked me if I would be ready to go to the computer shop to discuss the problem of internet access that we have been having for the last three days.  She then launched into a tirade of complaints about how terrible I was to reinstall MS-Windows and fail to get internet access connected for a whole three days.  I said I had some urgent things to do this morning and that I would not be ready for 9:00 am and that I would not be ready until about 9:30am (I am not exaggerating about the times).  She then started shouting and swearing at me very loudly in front of the children, causing one of the children to cry and the others to become very subdued.  I was just relieved that she was swearing at me and not at the children because to be honest the children get worse treatment than I do and they will sometimes cry in unison when their mother shouts and shouts and swears at them for a full minute (mainly using the f*** word over and over again and contorting her flushed red face while doing so - perhaps I will take a photo sometime).  Her complaint was basically that I was "extremely selfish and evil" for doing my office-related work while she was needing internet access.  I suggested that she visit her nearby friend to obtain internet access if it is really as urgent as she said it was (and it wouldn't be a problem because I often watch the children).  When she shouted very loudly and swore at me in front of the children I refused to rise to the bait and I replied calmly with phrases like "why are you swearing at me" or "please don't shout and swear at me in front of the children".  She then said that I had caused her to shout and swear because she was off the internet for three whole days and I was not responding to her request immediately (so in her line of reasoning it was my fault that she was shouting and swearing).  I think my self-control (i.e. my tendency not to shout or swear) really annoys her and I can tell you now that she doesn't possess much self-control (at least not within the confines of the family home - she behaves completely differently if we are out or if there are visitors in the house).  By the time she had vented her anger on me the children were looking upset but apart from the baby they were not crying).  She probably used the f*** word about 30 or 40 times in total (my estimate).  In conclusion I wish I had a hidden dictophone to record the conversation (if you can call it a "conversation").  At one stage, when she was holding the baby and shouting and swearing very loudly I panicked, being worried for the safety of the baby, and I quickly whisked the baby from her.  As I did so she pretended that I hurt her and said "aaawww" (not nearly as loudly as her earlier shouting and swearing), saying to the children that I was being "violent".  She then rammed one of the chairs against me, but thankfully she didn't ram the chair nearly hard enough to make me drop the baby.  She then said to the children (in front of me) that their father is an "extremely evil, selfish, violent man".  I muttered the word "hypocrisy" and then she said to me "Yes you are a hypocrite".  I then said that she could be prosecuted if she causes parental alienation syndrome (just loudly enough to be heard).  She threatened to smash the lap top I was using.  I said calmly (possibly with a slight smirk on my face) that my employer would prosecute her if she did that.  After all that I was unable to get the urgent office work done because I was feeling a little drained after my wife's rather dramatic behaviour.  She told me that I lacked emotion (as if that somehow justified her aggressive shouting/swearing) and she said that murderers are always calm people (she said it in a way that sounded convincing and I suspect the older children believed her).  I went out to the computer shop around 10 am and then managed to get internet access around lunchtime but I thought it might help if I ask her to apologize before I complete the task of setting up the password.  I asked her to apologize for the shouting and swearing and she said that she would not apologize until I apologized for being "horrible" to her.  She refused to be more specific about what she meant by "horrible" but I think she meant that I was horrible for failing to get the computer sorted sooner and because I supposedly caused her to shout and swear (so she sees me as the main culprit for her shouting/swearing).  After lunch she took the two older children out in the car and she refused to tell me where she was going.  She didn't take the younger two children.  The five year old child started crying, saying that he wanted to go with mummy too.  The baby didn't cry because the baby is well used to my company and tends to spend most of the time with me whenever I'm around.  I took the five-year-old and the baby out to the shops and I bought the five-year-old a matchbox car and one or two tasty treats to cheer him up and then we returned to the house.  He kept asking me when mummy would return and I could not answer his question.  My wife came home around 6:30pm and she made dinner.  She made dinner for the children and missed me out (she can be predictable!).  I therefore figured that she was still keen on revenge.  She said to me that I would live to regret not getting the passwords sorted out soon enough (I suppose that since she said "live to regret" she's therefore not planning to kill me).  I said something to the effect that she was behaving in her usual way by saying this.  After dinner I decided to visit my parents (15 miles away) and I insisted on bringing one of the older children.  The child in question resisted and my wife discouraged him from going with me, saying (in front of the children) that I was a "child abuser" for insisting on one of the children coming.  The child in question (age 8) cried in the car for about 15 minutes (possibly because I was going against his mother's will) and then he calmed down and later he thanked me for taking him to see his grandparents.  I think the calm/sane atmosphere at my parents house helped to cheer him up.  On the way home he was in a good/happy mood.  When I got home my wife had calmed down but she complained at length about not being able to open her e-mail attachments and I said something like "if you don't stop complaining now I will not install MS Office for you".  In the end I installed it for her (of course she didn't thank me for doing it because, in the mind of a narcissist, she got me to do it and therefore the credit is hers).  She still didn't apologize for the loud shouting and swearing and I doubt that she ever will but I guess they say that it's unwise to invite a narcissist to apologize.

xx

  • Apr. 8th, 2009 at 12:40 AM
greenway92 posted a message on the tail of one of the discussion threads and I thought it might be helpful for me to give his message more prominence by placing it here.  [greenway92 - my apologies if you didn't

I think that I am a Narcisist. I have actually been diagnosed as such. It took a long time, but I believe I have come to believe it is true. I am unable to create interpersonal relationships, have a disinterested attitute towards sex and have been cruel, callous and mentally abusive in my previous relationships. I do not think I can enter into relationships unless it is for the express purpose of using someone, so I stay out of them.

I had a break when I was 20 and I did not think I would recover from the true feelings of worthlessness I had about myself, so I did everything I could to ignore them and rebuild what I believe to be my false self. It took years to rebuild those defenses and I did not deal with my maladaptive issues.

I see many support groups for those dealing with living with Narcisists. Are there any for those who carry the disorder? I realize it is not usual for Narcisits to identify themselves as such (this is not my attempt to act unique).

Thanks,
GW

Children of a narcissist

  • Feb. 27th, 2009 at 11:50 PM
As far as I am concerned my wife is not a bad person but a good person who is hurting, but the whole family is suffering.  Among her traits are (a) going into 10-minute trances after which she suddenly becomes irate with everyone in the family (b) having bouts of uncontrollable rage (c) shouting and swearing very loudly at the children, sometimes to the point of making them cry in unison (d) sequestrating my time and my daughter's time while in the house (e) becoming very angry when people do not satisfy her demands (f) having an unusually strong sense of entitlement (g) absolutely hates being criticised (h) compulsively criticises others (i) having a very charming public persona (j) having a repertoire of charming, childlike mannerisms for impressing people (k) being the centre of attention in public situations (l) being admired by lots of people but NOT admired by colleagues of long-standing who all talked about her "having a bunk again" the last time I visited her workplace.

I think it is normal for children to go through narcissistic phases, but I think perhaps children seem to imitate the behaviour of a narcissistic parent to a strong degree.  For example (a) criticising to the point of conspicuous exaggeration AND (b) developing a habit of shouting impolitely at parents and babysitters, to the point where babysitters express upset and concern about it. 

I also think (but I welcome contrary views) that children of a narcissist might imitate the narcissistic parent's private persona but then display this behaviour in public situations leading to visitors commenting on the child's bizarre behaviour.  I suspect that some visitors are bemused when they see children being very feisty when both parents seem really calm - not realising that one of the parents is anything but calm when in the privacy of the family home.

I am also concerned about the problem of setting consistent discipline boundaries.  The books seem to say that children need consistent boundaries but they don't talk about the situation where one parent is narcissistic and is affected by mood fluctuations which prevent that parent from being consistent.  The narcissistic parent might also dislike the other parent from setting boundaries because that maybe makes the narcissist feel that the other parent is in control and maybe that worries the narcissistic parent (I'm not sure). 

I hate making my wife look bad even anonymously because she has a lot of really good traits which are not really relevant to this discussion but I also feel the need to discuss some of our problems because I am a bit desperate for constructive advice.

Villifying people against each other

  • Oct. 31st, 2008 at 11:36 PM
I feel a little dismayed this evening...

Recently my wife has been criticising my parents on a number of occasions, making them look inconsiderate, silly or negligent.  For example, she keeps telling me that my parents are not very good at remembering peoples' birthdays.  There is some truth in this but my wife seems to be blowing it out of proportion and trying to make me think unfavourably of my parents.  I am well aware of the way my wife villifies people and I am refusing to take the bait, much to my wife's annoyance.  When she criticises my parents I respond in a vague way, not getting in any way angry with my parents.

The odd thing is that my parents think my wife is the "bees knees".  They love her charming public persona and they love the way she garners attention and admiration whenever we are in the company of non-family members.  They have no idea what she says about them when they are not there.

I was a little dismayed when I visited my sister's house (my wife was not around).  In the course of the conversation my sister brought up the subject of birthdays and commented how my wife had rightly pointed out that our parents are not very good at remembering birthdays.  My sister seemed a little hurt by the way my parents have on some occasions in the past been negligent in celebrating my sister's birthday.  I admitted that they had been negligent in celebrating my birthdays too but I also pointed out that I was not very good at remembering birthdays either and that I was therefore in no position to get resentful about our parents.  I wanted to play down the importance of birthday cards and birthday gifts and I wanted to point out that nobody is perfect but I was a little lost for words. 

I hope my wife does not make my sister too resentful of our parents' faults.  Don't we all have faults?

I think (but I am not sure) that there is a Spanish saying which means something like "the man who is speaking ill of others to you is also speaking ill of you behind your back". 

Part of the reason why I am eager not to become resentful of my parents is that my wife had been on the phone to two of her sisters lately and she has been speaking ill of sister A when speaking to sister B and five minutes later she has been speaking ill of sister B when speaking to sister A.  If her two sisters knew the whole story they would not doubt be unimpressed by the relentless criticisms that they have both been subject to.  That Spanish proverb just rings so true!

A memorable day at the end of 2004

  • Oct. 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 PM


2004 12 29

It was a mild, windy morning and I was tired.  I had said to my wife the previous evening that I would go in to work early in the morning to sort out my timesheet.  In the end I probably got up about 8:30 am and did not go out to work until around 9:30.  I skipped breakfast because I was concerned about the time.  I returned home about 11 am.  My wife said that she was not feeling well.  I offered to take the three older children out if my wife could look after the 9-month-old. She agreed.  After lunch, I took the three older children for a forest walk.  It was damp, but mild, although there were some patches of snow next to the forest path.  The trees did, however, help to buffer us from the wind.  I very much enjoyed the afternoon.  My wife prepared the dinner, which was a very good meal.

After dinner, I started to wash the crockery and had done approximately one third of them when I suggested that the children could watch a DVD once they had finished their dinner, put their pyjamas on and tidied up the living room.  The children complied and we all watched Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.  I decided to join the family, although I had not finished washing the dishes, although I could have continued to wash the dishes while the rest of the household watched the film, but that would have seemed unfriendly to me considering children often like to watch a film with their parents.

Immediately after the film, about 8:30pm, I gave the boys some milk and took them upstairs to brush their teeth and go to bed.  The boys behaved reasonably well.  I said to the eldest (i.e. our daughter) that she could either go to bed or practice the piano but that she would have to practice the piano properly and not play around.  After a few minutes my wife sent her to bed, saying that she was not practicing the piano properly.  She screamed and said that her mother was pulling feathers from her new pink feather slippers.  I told her to go up the stairs immediately.  She refused.  I led her up the stairs and sent her to her room to go to bed.  She screamed very loudly and woke up the baby.  The baby started crying.  He was nearly 9 months old.  She accused her mother of damaging the slippers in a very loud voice.  My wife went into her bedroom and gave her some substantial smacks on the bottom.  I was of the view that my wife was entirely justified in smacking our eldest child.  I said to my daughter that she had no right to shout at her mother, especially for something as trivial as slippers. I said to my daughter something like "I hope you are proud of upsetting the poor baby while thinking only of yourself".  I said that the people in the cartoon threw away the midas hand because it made people fight and that if the slippers were going to make her scream at her mother then we would be better off without the slippers.

When I came back downstairs, my wife was in the living room.  She said to me that she was going to take our daughter's pink feather slippers, which were a Christmas present from one of her aunts, and send it to the poor children, and she asked me if I would agree to this.  I said that I did not agree to giving the slippers away (because they had been given to our daughter as a gift from someone else) but I said that the slippers should be confiscated for a full seven days.  My wife said that she agreed to this.  She then asked me if we should take away one of her Christmas boxes or chocolates.  I said that these were also gifts from relatives and that we should wait and see how her behaviour is during the rest of the evening.

I then went upstairs and picked up the baby, who was still crying and took him downstairs.  I gave him some milk and he calmed down.  I was in the kitchen speaking to my wife and holding the baby in my arms when she said that she was annoyed with me because the dishwater was cold and I had not completed doing the dishes.  I said something like "What do you want me to do?  Did you want me to wash the dishes while you and the children watched Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?  I could not have done any more.  Immediately after the film I took the boys to bed and then I helped to deal with our daughter's behavour, and then I picked up the baby because he was crying and fed him some milk.  I did not have any opportunity to finish washing the dishes.  If I had washed the dishes I might have been criticised for not taking the boys to bed or not dealing with our daughter's behaviour or not attending to the baby.".  My wife then immediately said very loudly that it was typical of me and that I should be concerned about my own soul before being concerned about anyone else's.  I said "please don't shout, you will upset the baby".  I then proceeded to walk briskly from the kitchen to the living room and closed the door behind me.  My wife made hasty pursuit so I held the handle of the living room door (from the living room side) to prevent her from entering the living room, while holding the baby in my other arm.

My wife tried to open the door to come in while speaking loudly or shouting.  She then pressed her shoulder very hard against the glass panel in the (relatively old) door, causing the glass to smash.  The glass fell mainly on the living room side of the door and some of it landed next to my feet.  I was still holding the baby.  I said something like "you lunatic!".  Our daughter came about half way downstairs clearly upset and scared.  I asked her to note which side of the door the glass had fallen on and she confirmed that the glass had fallen on my side of the door (ie the living room side).  I was still holding the baby.  I said to my wife something like "I am seriously concerned about the safety of my children, you need to be sectioned!  This is a recordable incident".  My wife tried to knock one or two shards of glass from the door and one flew into the living room, narrowly missing my foot.  I do not think for a minute that it was deliberate.  I said again "I am concerned for the safety of my children" and she replied "That's surprising coming from you, you don't look after the children properly".  I was surprised by this answer because I had spent the afternoon with three of the children and they had  managed to walk quite a long forest walk with me, including one boy who was only two and three quarter years old.

My wife went to fetch a brush and shovel while I wrote this account down.  I was concerned to write an accurate account and I did not consider the cleaning up of the glass to be an immediately urgent task because the children were now all upstairs.  I was also holding baby.  I asked my wife if she would give me a brush and shovel but she said "Not while you are holding the baby".  I therefore considered myself to be unable to do anything regarding the glass, while my wife swept up the glass into a plastic bin bag. 

I phoned the emergency number on the house insurance to report the incident but they said that it would be best to phone in the morning about 8.30 am.

I spoke with my daughter for a bit and explained to her that she really must not shout at her mother because it will upset her mother and I said that she would need to say sorry to her mother in the morning.  My wife came into the room (our daughter's bedroom) and said to me rather forcefully that she did not think I should be talking to our daughter before talking to her.

I then discussed with my wife and we both agreed that the past year had been a difficult year and that we were both finding life hard.  I said that the circumstances were affecting my work and that I was depressed.  My wife said something similar (i.e. that she was finding things hard).  We then said some prayers.  We then discussed making about four points that we would try to follow, these being:

1. We would set aside 5 minutes at the end of each day to identify one another's good deeds, good points or achievements and to allow one another sufficient space to make a few point each.  We would also spend up to 5 minutes expressing concerns in a mature manner (but not to make any attacks against anyone, especially not the children).  We would endeavour not to shout or swear.

2. We would aim to go out about once per fortnight (or more if babysitters permit) just the two of us, without the older children and preferably without the baby.  Each partner would take turns to choose the venue so that no partner dominates.  Both partners would try to get babysitters.

3. We would not shout at one another or swear at one another in front of the children and (provided shouting/swearing does not occur) try not to walk out of the room (unless a monologue ensues).  A monologue will be considered to be a one-way conversation lasting more than about 3 minutes.  We would try not to interrupt one another (except to break up a monologue).

 

Some welcome support

  • Oct. 23rd, 2008 at 9:07 PM

When I got home from work my wife had just left for her work and the babysitter was in.  She is an experienced mother with grown-up children herself.  She noticed the way my daughter (age 10) immediately started telling me, the minute I walked into the house, how to feed the baby and what to feed him.  I responded calmly saying "you should speak to me respectfully".  My daughter retorted with words to the effect that she had every right to speak to me this way and that she was not being disrespectful anyway.  The babysitter immediately backed me up saying something like "your father is right and he has a right to be respected - you should show more appreciation about having just been given those lovely new boots".  I then said to my daughter "who brings money into the house to let you get things like new boots?".  My daughter replied "Mummy!".  The babysitter spoke again saying something like "it is both of your parents who bring money in, now why don't you help feed the baby instead of just telling your father to do it - your father is entitled to get some rest after his work". 

How I wish my wife was as supportive of this rather than always backing up my daughter and telling me how I never feed the baby "correctly" (i.e. not in precise accordance with her preferred methodology) and telling me not to be so sensitive to the way my daughter speaks to me.

I'm grateful to have a non-narcissist in the house.

I hope the reader understands that I am using the "littlefrance" username to log family problems with a view to eventually getting professional help.
 

Just recovered from a tummy bug

  • Oct. 22nd, 2008 at 7:27 PM

I've been ill over the last few days with diarrhoea and nausea.  At first my wife made a big deal about the smell in the toilet and bedroom and about how I was not able to keep the WC clean.  She made it seem like a major issue.  Then she started complaining vehemently about how I was not doing my fair share of the housework and how she (the victim?) was left to do "nearly everything" (as she put it) while I lay in bed.  She has been swearing a lot in the house (but not when visitors are present when she suddenly seems to ditch all of her anger until the visitors leave).

Over the past few days the baby (age 7 months) has been the target of a sizeable share of her anger and resentment.  This includes her shouting at the baby, particularly during the night.  The baby seems to respond to her anger by crying but when this happens he seems to cry in an emotional sort of way that I don't normally associate with babies (so it seems a little bizarre).  One time, when my wife was shouting loudly at our daughter the baby seemed to cry in his sleep for a few moments while she was shouting at her.

My wife wanted to go out in the car and I said that I had left some belongings in the car and that if she was willing to hold the baby just for a few minutes I could clear out my belongings.  She expressed anger at me leaving belongings in the car and shouted loudly.  The baby (whom I was holding at the time) started crying in a distressed sort of way as though he had become sensitised to her anger.  My wife point blank refused to hold the baby even for one minute and stormed out of the house.  She went into the car.  I shall have to remove my belongings later when the baby is asleep

Disconcerting (October 14)

  • Oct. 17th, 2008 at 11:12 PM
It is disconcerting when a loved-one shows signs of delusions.  My wife asked me if I could sign-off some financial form.  I looked at the form and said "could you hold the baby for me so that I can read the form and then sign it?".  She didn't respond so I asked her politely once again.  She agreed to hold the baby.  While I was trying to read the form she asked me where the baby's milk bottle was.  She said that she had seen it in the kitchen.  I looked around the kitchen and suggested that maybe it was in another room, such as the playroom perhaps.  To my surprise she then said that our son (age 8) had brought it downstairs a minute ago.  I didn't recall our son bringing down the baby milk bottle.  She said that she definitely saw it and then she said that I was holding the baby's milk bottle (which I knew was definitely not true).  I thought for a moment and then wondered if it might be upstairs.  I went upstairs and sure enough it was in the room where the baby normally sleeps.  I took the baby's milk bottle downstairs and gave the bottle to my wife and said, quite calmly "when exactly did you see me with the bottle?".  Her reply was also calm and she said "I don't want to have an argument".  She then said that she was very tired and had lots of aches and pains.  Maybe on this occasion I could put her misconception down to tiredness but I do worry about the number of times these days that she gets odd notions and insists upon them.

A private persona bursting through

  • Oct. 17th, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Normally my wife is very careful to keep her private persona very well hidden and she is invariably charming and (seemingly) happy-go-lucky whenever we are in public or semi-public situations.  In the past year, however, it seems that her carefully-guarded private persona has been occasionally showing through the cracks. 

To set the scene, my wife was mad at me a few days ago because I had poured some baby milk down the sink.  I was worried that the milk was in danger of going sour but my wife, I think, must have thought that the milk was ok.  Her anger, it seemed, was based on the premise that she was right.  I think after that night she was poised to get mad at me if I dared throw out any baby milk.  From my point of view I knew that I would need to keep trusting my own judgement about whether the milk was safe for the baby. 

Tonight, over dinner, I had been bottle-feeding the baby while there were some visitors joining us, including a close friend of my wife's.  To be fair my wife had been watching the baby for most of the day so I didn't mind at all feeding the baby and looking after him for a few hours.  The baby took most of the bottle that I was feeding him but he left about one or two ounces (or about 50 millilitres) of milk in the bottle.  This was not a lot since he usually drinks about 20 ounces a day.  My wife's friend, who is normally quite deferential towards my wife, offered to clean the kitchen after dinner.  I took the baby upstairs to change his nappy and get his night-clothes on.  In the process of cleaning the kitchen my wife's friend took the baby bottle with the one or two ounces of baby milk and washed the bottle (discarding the remaining milk in the process).  My wife, perhaps unthinkingly, dramatically pounced on her, and started shouting at her and criticising her for daring to discard the baby milk.  To my surprise, my wife's friend came to me and apologised to me for washing the baby's bottle.  She looked shocked or upset.  I quickly replied that it was a mistake that anyone could make and that to me it was no big deal.  After a few minutes, when my wife had calmed down, my wife started being extra-charming towards her friend and I think she worked hard during the rest of the evening to mend the damage by giving her friend lots of attention and I think it worked.  I think they are fully reconciled now.

Sudden over-reactions

  • Oct. 11th, 2008 at 11:53 AM
If a parent is inclined to over-react very suddenly and dramatically when a child does something which that parent disapproves of then there seems to be a tendency for some children to adopt that behaviour pattern.

In our house, we often hear a child making a sudden, loud, angry scream over something exceedingly trivial.  This seems to be happening all the time when our children are at play together.  Now you might say that all children fight a bit, but our children seem to fight rather a lot and they seem to get pleasure out of making another child miserable.  Our 10-year-old daughter is forever nipping the younger children gratuitously, and she especially likes to nip the 4-year-old, and visitors sometimes comment on this bizarre behaviour.  Little do they realise what our home life is really like behind closed doors when there are no visitors in the house.  The narcissistic parent is charming and laid-back when visitors are in the house but is the very opposite the minute the visitors leave.  Visitors naturally wonder how such a charming and laid-back parent can have such feisty children.

Insistence about plates

  • Oct. 11th, 2008 at 11:49 AM
The other day at evening mealtime my wife asked me to get the plates out for the children.  I got out three largish plates for the 2 adults and the 10-year-old, and 3 smaller plates for the younger children.  Usually when she gets out the plates she gives the 10-year-old a particular medium-sized plate and she asked me to change one of the larger plates for that medium-sized plate.  I, however, consider myself as an equal and not as a servant.  I said that the plates that I had got out were fine.  She disagreed so she exchanged the plates despite it being painful for her to do so with her injured ankle.  I was dismayed by her apparent obsession with doing things her way and disregarding the preferences of others, even to the point of it being painful for her to do so.